The Virginia Beach City Council is set to consider an agenda item next week that could lead to the cancellation of the April 26-27 Something in the Water music festival, if organizers don’t provide the city with a full list of announced artists within days of the Jan. 7 vote.
Under an agreement signed by city and festival officials in November 2024, SITW organizers were supposed to provide the city with a list of performers for the two-day Oceanfront festival and start ticket sales by Dec. 31, 2024, but they did not meet the deadline. Now, according to the city council’s public agenda, the body is expected to take up a resolution that would give organizers five days to give the city the lineup of artists. If that doesn’t happen, the concerts will be canceled, according to the agenda item.
This is just the latest bit of turmoil surrounding the festival, which music and fashion superstar Pharrell Williams launched in 2019 on Virginia Beach‘s Oceanfront, with dozens of top music acts and thousands of attendees, as well as millions in local revenue. In 2020 and 2021, the festival was not held due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and in 2022, Williams decided to host SITW in Washington, D.C., instead of Virginia Beach, after his cousin was shot and killed by a Virginia Beach police officer.
In April 2023, however, the festival returned to the beach, featuring performances by Williams, Lil Wayne, the Jonas Brothers, Sean “Diddy” Combs and other popular music stars, although a tornado threat led to the cancellation of some performances. Williams then said he’d stage the festival at a different time of year in hopes of better weather, leading to its scheduling in October 2024.
However, just after tickets went on sale in September 2024, Williams suddenly called off the concerts in a social media post, in which he wrote, “Virginia doesn’t deserve better, Virginia deserves the best. So, Something in the Water has to match that. It just isn’t ready yet.”
According to media reports, city officials were blindsided by the announcement, and hotels and other Oceanfront businesses lost money. At that point, the city said it would need greater transparency and oversight of the festival, if it were to be held the following April. In exchange for up to $500,000 in city funding, SITW organizers agreed to several provisions, including a Dec. 31, 2024, deadline to announce the lineup of artists and begin ticket sales.
A city spokesperson on Friday confirmed that SITW organizers requested an extension on the Dec. 31 deadline before the end of the year.
“The Something in the Water team has asked for an extension for releasing the festival’s lineup and ticket sales,” Ali Weatherton-Shook said in an emailed statement. “Staff will present this request to City Council and discuss what direction Council wants to take at that point.”
Robby Wells, the festival’s director, declined to comment on the matter Friday.
According to the City Council agenda item that will be under consideration at its Jan. 7 meeting, “SITW is in material breach of the sponsorship agreement for failure to provide the lineup to the city and commence ticket sales by Dec. 31, 2024.”
If the resolution passes, the city will set a five-day deadline for the concert’s organizers to “cure” the breach and fulfill the agreement’s terms, which could be as soon as Jan. 12.
If SITW fails to meet the city’s requirements within five days, “the city manager shall immediately terminate the sponsorship agreement and seek the return of any funds advanced to SITW.” The resolution, which was taken up by request of Mayor Bobby Dyer, concludes by saying that the city manager will “explore alternative programming for April 26 and 27” if the agreement is terminated.
According to the agreement signed Nov. 15, 2024, by city and concert organizers, the festival’s promoter would receive $100,000 upon the execution of the agreement, with $200,000 to come after the city received the artist lineup and $200,000 more after completion of a special event permit application.
The inaugural 2019 SITW sold 35,000 tickets and garnered $24 million in revenue for Hampton Roads, and a report prepared for the city found that the 2023 festival generated an economic impact of $26 million to $29 million for the City of Virginia Beach.
Dubbed Dulles Corner, the four buildings comprise nearly 620,000 square feet of Class A office space. Located at the intersection of Dulles Toll Road and Virginia Route 28, the properties are:
2411 Dulles Corner Park, an eight-story, nearly 180,000-square-foot office building built in 1990 and renovated in 2022,
13880 Dulles Corner Lane, a four-story, more than 150,000-square-foot office building completed in 1997, with improvements made in 2022,
2355 Dulles Corner Blvd., an eight-story, more than 180,000-square-foot office building constructed in 1988 and renovated in 2022,
13825 Sunrise Valley Drive, a two-story, roughly 105,000-square-foot office building completed in 1989, with improvements made in 2005.
The portfolio has more than 2,100 parking spaces, as well as conference facilities, a private fitness center, on-site restaurants, a day care and a park feature with walking paths, water features and outdoor eating areas.
Current tenants include Reston federal contractor Peraton, cloud technology company SAP National Security Services (SAP NS2), tech company DLT Solutions, defense contractor Mission Essential, federal contractor Valiant Integrated Services, tech company Synopsys and BlackSky Technology. Finmarc has space available to lease in the portfolio, and Cushman & Wakefield is overseeing leasing.
Bethesda, Maryland-based commercial real estate company Finmarc Management bought the properties from Brandywine Realty Trust. Eastdil Secured represented the seller. Aaron Rosenfeld with Kelley Drye & Warren provided legal services to Finmarc, and Cliff Mendelson with Metropolis Capital Advisors assisted in debt placement.
The Dulles Corner acquisition brings Finmarc’s 2024 transactional volume to about $210 million across almost 1.7 million square feet of office space, industrial real estate, data center land and retail space.
“We intend to remain aggressive in our pursuit of emerging institutional-quality, under-performing and value-add assets in the coming year,” Finmarc Principal Neil Markus said in a statement, adding that the mid-Atlantic, Northeast and Southeast regions are the company’s primary investment focus.
Finmarc previously acquired a four-building portfolio in Centreville in August 2024 for $39.36 million. Called Trinity Centre, the portfolio has almost 500,000 square feet of Class A commercial office space and is home to Carfax’s headquarters.
“Our recent acquisition of Trinity Centre, together with significant commercial real estate holdings in the Northern Virginia and greater Washington, D.C., market, validates our optimism about the long-term prospects of the region,” Markus said in a statement.
Leave it to beaver — the behatted mascot of mega-travel center chain Buc-ee’s, that is.
Texas-based Buc-ee’s projects it will open its first travel center in Virginia — its 74,000-square-foot Rockingham County location — on June 30, although the opening date is not set in stone, Buc-ee’s Media Coordinator Crissy Gonzales noted in an email this week.
Located at the intersection of I-81 and Friedens Church Road, the Mount Crawford center will have 120 fueling positions. The chain expects to create 200 jobs with the gas station and convenience store.
Buc-ee’s broke ground on the Rockingham County location on Jan. 30, 2024, after buying 21.3 acres for $6.6 million in September 2023. The county revealed plans for the location in July 2023 by posting on its Facebook page that the company had applied for a special-use permit for review and approval of a sign plan.
“Construction is well underway, and we are excited to bring award-winning clean restrooms, freshly prepared Texas barbeque and cheap gas in 2025,” Buc-ee’s General Counsel Jeff Nadalo said in a statement Thursday. He added that Buc-ee’s is involved in the permitting process in Stafford County. Meanwhile, the opening of Buc-ee’s New Kent County location, announced in 2023, has been postponed to 2027.
Although Buc-ee’s initially planned to open the New Kent location by 2025, according to a 2023 S.L. Nusbaum Realty news release, its expected opening has been pushed to 2027 to coordinate with road construction projects. Those projects include the I-64 widening project underway in the county and a diverging diamond interchange at the Exit 211 interchange, which likely won’t be completed until 2030, according to the Tidewater Review.
The county has requested $44 million in state funding through the Smart Scale program to help build the diverging diamond interchange at Exit 211.
In February 2024, Buc-ee’s submitted a conditional use permit application to Stafford County for a 74,000-square-foot travel center on about 36 acres by Exit 140 off Interstate 95. The proposed center would include 120 fueling stations and create an estimated 200 jobs.
According to county property records, the land included in the Stafford County CUP application is owned by Rocky Ridge Joint Venture, which shares an address with Van Metre Cos.
The application is currently in the first round of county staff review, according to a Stafford County application graphic dated July 8, 2024. The process from submission to going before the board of supervisors could take up to nine months.
Some Stafford residents have voiced opposition to the proposed Buc-ee’s center, with more than 20 people speaking against it at a county Board of Supervisors meeting in May 2024, although the travel center was not on the agenda, according to Fredericksburg Free Press‘ reporting. Opponents of the Stafford location have also created a petition on Change.org, which had 1,598 signatures as of Thursday. A Buc-ee’s representative did not provide a statement directly responding to a question about the petition.
Buc-ee’s plans to have four total Virginia locations, according a June 2023 news release from S.L. Nusbaum Realty.
Founded in 1982, Buc-ee’s has 34 stores in Texas and 14 centers in other states.
BridgeTower Media — the parent company of Home Accents Today, a sister publication of Virginia Business — last month acquired industry trade publication Furniture Lighting & Décor from Scranton Gillette Communications, a deal that unites two powerhouse home furnishings brands.
Terms of the deal were not disclosed.
“We are extremely excited about the combination of these two great brands, and look forward to providing even more value to both readers and advertisers in the months and years to come,” said Hal Cohen, CEO of BridgeTower Media.
A reimagined and redesigned Home Accents Today debuts this month with dramatically expanded coverage of the lighting industry, providing longtime Furniture Lighting & Décor readers with all the coverage they’ve come to expect.
In addition, they will find familiar features and columns, such as the Design Coaching Center and Technology Watch, to help them grow and enhance their business. Home Accents Today also will continue to deliver all the industry news, trends and feature reporting the industry has relied on for nearly 40 years.
Home Accents Today’s enhanced website will house historical coverage from Furniture, Lighting & Décor as well as complete access to its past monthly issues, ensuring continuity for long-time readers of both brands.
“We are so excited to start this next chapter of Home Accents Today, which incorporates the best of both brands and will continue to deliver the top-notch home décor industry coverage that we have always been known for,” said Editor-in-Chief Allison Zisko.
Alpha Wound Care Solutions and Wellness, a burn and wound care clinic in Virginia Beach, will expand to new locations in Newport News and Richmond in 2025. Alpha Wound Care Solutions and Wellness was founded by Dr. Marcus F. Yarbrough, M.D., UHM, CWS-P. Dr. Yarbrough became interested in burn and wound care after training at Howard University Hospital in General Surgery and found that there was a high need for integrating wound care with advanced therapies in burn patients. After residency training, he completed fellowships in Burn and Critical Care in Philadelphia as well as Burn and Plastics at Long Island Plastic Surgery Group in Long Island, New York. Dr. Yarbrough completed his Board certification in wound care as well as obtaining certification in hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
Dr. Yarbrough is an active presenter and participant in yearly wound and burn conferences throughout the United States as well as a Physician Bureau speaker for Kerecis. Dr. Yarbrough has several published articles and is a member of associations, including the Medical Society of Virginia, the American Burn Association, and the American College of Surgeons.
Dr. Yarbrough envisions that the future of Alpha Wound Care Solutions and Wellness encompasses growth and education of providers who believe in practicing advanced wound and burn care and hopes to bring this vision to the local community level in order to bring to light the need for patient advocacy and care in this patient population.
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Virginians bet more than $760.96 million on sports in November 2024, 19.1% more than they bet in November 2023, according to Virginia Lottery data released Tuesday.
Virginia bettors won more than $674.6 million in November.
About $756.76 million of November’s gross sports gaming revenues came from mobile operators, with the other $4.2 million coming from casino retail activity. Virginia currently has three casinos: the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Bristol, the Rivers Casino Portsmouth and the Caesars Virginia in Danville. In November 2024, the state’s casinos reported $63.57 million in adjusted gaming revenue.
The permanent Hard Rock Hotel & Casino Bristol opened Nov. 14, 2024, after operating in a temporary casino since July 2022, and the permanent Caesars Virginia opened Dec. 17, 2024; its temporary facility opened in May 2023.
November 2024’s handle was a 9% increase from the approximately $696 million that Virginians bet in October 2024.
The licensed operators included in November 2024’s sports revenue reporting were:
Betfair Interactive US (FanDuel) in partnership with the Washington Commanders
Virginia places a 15% tax on sports betting activity based on each permit holder’s adjusted gross revenue (total wagers minus total winnings and other authorized deductions). With 10 operators reporting net positive AGR for November 2024, state taxes for the month totaled more than $12.1 million.
Of that, 97.5% — more than $11.79 million — will be deposited in the state’s general fund. The remaining approximately $302,500 will go to the Problem Gambling Treatment and Support Fund, which the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services administers.
Future casinos in the state are expected in Norfolk and Petersburg.
The team behind the delayed Norfolk casino — which has had a change in ownership and has yet to announce its new name — held a groundbreaking ceremony for the casino Oct. 30, 2024. The Pamunkey Indian Tribe remains a partner, but Boyd Gaming replaced Tennessee investor Jon Yarbrough. The entities have scrapped the name HeadWaters Resort & Casino and now refer to it as the Norfolk Casino Resort.
Many people may be aware by now that the United States is battling a shortage of nurses and physicians, but what’s received significantly less attention is that numerous other health care occupations — from home health aides to medical laboratory technicians to physical therapists — also are facing a short supply of workers.
“People think health care, they think doctor, nurse — one or the other,” says Brightpoint Community College President William C. Fiege. “But we also need phlebotomists, we need clinical medical assistants. … There are so many different aspects to health care.”
According to estimates from the National Center for Health Workforce Analysis, by 2037, the country could be short:
79,160 psychologists
36,820 dispensing opticians
29,740 dental hygienists
17,030 pharmacists
Don’t expect Virginia to prove the exception to the rule.
The George Mason University Center for Health Workforce, founded in 2022 to address the critical shortage of health workers in Virginia, offers these numbers:
Dental assistants — Current need: 9,330. Projected need over next 10 years: 13,475
Pharmacy technicians — Current need: 6,410. Projected need over next 10 years: 7,800
Medical and clinical laboratory technologists — Current need: 4,785. Projected need over next 10 years: 5,960
Respiratory therapists — Current need: 2,225. Projected need over next 10 years: 3,150
What’s driving the deficit is complicated.
Baby boomers can take part of the blame. In 2020, 55.8 million Americans were ages 65 and over, according to the U.S. Census. By 2030, when all baby boomers will be at least 65, seniors are expected to make up 20% of the U.S. population.
Birth rates decreased from 1965 through the early 1970s then “fluctuated little in succeeding decades,” according to public policy nonprofit The Pew Charitable Trusts.
Put simply: There are too few people to care for too many seniors.
“It’s a demographic convergence,” explains Cynthia Lawrence, director of Carilion Clinic‘s workforce development office and president of the Blue Ridge Partnership for Health Science Careers.
COVID can be thanked for making a bad situation worse. Medical workers burned out caring for so many terribly ill patients during the pandemic. Some health care professionals retired early; some switched to other fields. Some died from the coronavirus. By the end of 2022, a total of 145,213 health care providers had left the profession, according to Definitive Healthcare, a Massachusetts health care data firm.
It doesn’t help matters that too few students are now choosing health care careers. Even with the current, insufficient number of students, however, there aren’t enough training programs for some health occupations. It’s often difficult for schools to increase capacity of programs or to launch new programs because there aren’t enough health care workers who have both the required advanced degrees and a desire to teach.
There’s no overnight fix to this crisis. But there is good news: Many health systems, nonprofits and higher education institutions across Virginia are hard at work trying to fix the problem.
For example, HCA Virginia Health System, which operates 14 hospitals in the commonwealth, partnered with Brightpoint Community College this year to address the state’s shortage of radiologic technicians, who take X-rays and CAT scans.
The division of Tennessee-based HCA Healthcare has invested $2.97 million to develop a radiologic technology degree program on the campus of Chippenham Hospital in Richmond.
“It started with a conversation about a hospital having a strong need for radiologic technicians, and a college that said, ‘Hey, we’re happy to help,’” explains Fiege, Brightpoint’s president.
HCA Virginia’s investment included money to renovate a former doctor’s office into a 3,000-square-foot space on the hospital’s campus into a learning space for students. The health system also budgeted $625,000 to offer 10 scholarships each year.
The program’s first cohort, which has 20 students, launched in August 2024. David Scotto, 27, of Amelia County, was one of the inaugural students. He didn’t need the HCA scholarship because his tuition was already covered by other state and federal grants, including G3, a tuition assistance program for Virginia residents studying for in-demand careers. “I go to school for free,” says Scotto, who juggles his classes with working as a physical therapy technician for Bon Secours health system.
Scotto settled on becoming a radiologic technician because he wanted to combine his love of technology with the feeling he gets from seeing someone who is sick getting better.
He’s also happy to have picked a field where he likely won’t have to hunt for work. There were over 3,400 job openings in Virginia for imaging technologists in September 2024, according to the Mason Center for Health Workforce.
“These students will probably all have jobs two semesters before they graduate,” says Stacey Shell, radiologic technology program director at Brightpoint.
Cynthia Lawrence, president of the board of the Blue Ridge Partnership for Health Science Careers Photo by Natalee Waters
Apprenticeships and scholarships
Hampton Roads health system Sentara Health partnered with Tidewater Community College to launch an apprentice program for respiratory therapists in 2024.
Respiratory therapy programs have seen a 27% decrease in student enrollment since 2010, according to a 2023 study in the journal Respiratory Care. Sentara reports only 89 respiratory therapist students graduated in Virginia in 2022.
TCC accepted about two dozen students to its program that started in August 2024, according to Tara Almony, respiratory therapy manager at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital. Of those, 13 students applied for three apprenticeships offered by
Sentara, which pays for a student’s tuition as well as expenses like books, lab fees and scrubs.
Apprentices also get to earn while they learn as full-time employees at Sentara, receiving a paycheck, paid time off and benefits. That doesn’t mean working 40 hours on top of going to school, either. Apprentices spend eight hours a week working at Norfolk General, Almony says.
For Kyle Mucciarone, the apprenticeship has allowed him to focus fully on his studies instead of having to take a part-time job. And on top of the financial support, he feels grateful for the opportunity to shadow respiratory therapists at Norfolk General — particularly on the night shift.
“Three of the four gunshot wounds that I’ve seen were at night,” he says. “It’s a rush for that first 10 minutes of running down to get to the ER and then hearing, ‘We’ve got them stabilized. We’ve got a pulse.’”
The goal of the program is to have apprentices continue their careers with Sentara after graduation. Mucciarone plans on staying at Norfolk General, Hampton Roads’ only Level I trauma center. “I wouldn’t pick any other area besides Norfolk if I was given the choice of which places I wanted to work at,” he says.
Among other initiatives to strengthen the health care workforce, Sentara announced in 2023 an investment of $4 million for two pipeline development programs.
More than $775,000 went to Project Choice, an initiative through which the health system provides students with exposure to clinical and nonclinical health care careers. The rest of the funding went to Sentara Scholars, which provides financial support to students attending programs that lead to health care careers.
As a student at Churchland High School in Portsmouth, Jaden Smith planned to attend Howard University in Washington, D.C., but naysayers told him he should choose somewhere less expensive. But “I just knew there was a scholarship out there for me,” he says.
Not long after starting at Howard in 2022, Smith won a $15,000 scholarship from Sentara Scholars. Since he’d earned college credits during high school through a dual enrollment program, Smith graduated in May 2024 with a degree in biology. Currently working as a medical assistant for Sentara, Smith plans to apply to medical school this year.
The fact that Sentara’s leaders believed in him enough to fund his education helps Smith stay focused on his goals: “Just knowing that people actually want to invest in my potential and my future keeps me going.”
A regional model
In 2018, Del. Terry L. Austin, R-Botetourt County, traveled to MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston for bladder reconstruction surgery as part of a regimen to treat his bladder cancer. While chatting with workers there, Austin learned many had attended the DeBakey High School for Health Professions, a Houston public high school designed to prepare students for medical careers through a partnership with Baylor College of Medicine.
Later that year, Austin ran into Lawrence with Carilion Clinic and told her about DeBakey High. “I said, ‘We can do that,’” she recalls.
After speaking with educators in Texas about the program, Lawrence organized a sit-down with area education, health and workforce leaders to discuss the need for health care workers. As they talked, Lawrence says, it became clear that boosting the number of students going into health careers wasn’t something any one organization could tackle on its own. They had to work together.
The Blue Ridge Partnership for Health Science Careers officially formed in 2019. Today, it’s a coalition of leaders from education, industry, economic and workforce development and nonprofits working to “solidify the Roanoke and New River Valleys, the Alleghany Highlands and the greater Lynchburg region as a health sciences leader.”
The partnership’s successes include launching a student ambassador program with participants ranging from high schoolers to postgrads who are planning to go into health care. As ambassadors, their duties include speaking on workforce panels and chatting with peers about what courses to take. And in 2024, working jointly with the Virginia Department of Education and Radford University, the partnership revived the Governor’s Summer Camp for Medicine and Health, a program for high school juniors and seniors interested in health care careers. Previously staged at Virginia Commonwealth University, the four-week program hadn’t been held since 2020.
For 2024-25, the partnership is prioritizing a range of initiatives, including: expanding work-based learning experiences, like paid internships and apprenticeships; increasing the number of qualified instructors for needed health care occupations; implementing a shared instructor model between employers and schools; and increasing the number of community mentors encouraging students to consider health care careers. Today, the Blue Ridge Partnership for Health Science Careers receives funding from nonprofit Claude Moore Opportunities and serves as a regional model for the rest of the state.
Launched in 2024, Claude Moore Opportunities is a spinoff nonprofit of the Claude Moore Charitable Foundation. Created in 1987 by the late Dr. Claude Moore, a wealthy radiologist and Loudoun County landowner, the foundation’s mission includes expanding health care career development efforts across Virginia.
Over the years, CMCF has invested more than $20 million in initiatives to “provide entry points and advancement” in health care careers, including investing more than $1 million since 2021 to strengthen and expand health sciences courses in 18 K-12 districts in the Roanoke and New River valleys and the Lynchburg region.
In 2023, CMCF established a goal of “formalizing a statewide health workforce development model,” based on the Blue Ridge Partnership for Health Science Careers.
The Blue Ridge Partnership’s framework simply works, says Dr. William A. Hazel, CEO of Claude Moore Opportunities and a former state secretary of health and human resources. “We have to have some concepts about working together and aligning, so that when we try to address the barriers that are created, we can do it in an organized and intelligent fashion,” he says.
Claude Moore Opportunities furthers CMCF’s mission by addressing Virginia’s shortage of health care workers. The nonprofit’s website offers a detailed plan to help leaders in other regions of the state who want to work collaboratively to increase the health care workforce.
Hazel stresses that building the state’s health care labor supply will take collective efforts — and that means competing health systems must work together. “We need them to put aside their sort of parochial, competitive interest,” he says, “and just grow the workforce together.”
The stories in this feature provide expert insights into what organizations can expect as a new administration takes office, with the obvious caveat that campaign talking points do not always translate into legislative action.
Nearly three months after Boar’s Head shut down its Jarratt plant, North Carolina-based Carolina Structural Systems announced Nov. 25 that it would spend $5.5 million to build a manufacturing site for custom trusses and similar products in Greensville County, adding 58 jobs.
The county’s economic development director, Natalie Slate, calls the announcement a good start as Greensville aims for new opportunities after Boar’s Head shuttered the deli meat factory Sept. 13, 2024, amid a listeria outbreak that killed 10 people and sickened dozens more.
“This is the beginning of more announcements to come that Greensville County is bouncing back,” says Slate, declining to elaborate on pending deals.
Boar’s Head laid off 600 workers in Jarratt, according to a notice filed with the Virginia Employment Commission, but Slate says that number is likely closer to about 400; some workers were offered positions at the company’s Petersburg plant, and others were kept in Jarratt to help with decommissioning.
Greensville and Emporia, a small city surrounded by the county, were the hardest hit by the loss, totaling around 225 workers, Slate says, and the county stands to lose about $1 million annually in sewer and water fees annually.
Boar’s Head did not respond to requests for comment.
The closure coincided with an already planned job fair in Emporia in October 2024 that drew around 90 employers. A little over 400 job seekers attended, including 33 from Boar’s Head, according to survey results.
Tabitha Taylor, executive director of Virginia Career Works’ Crater Region, a federally funded state career services and workforce training organization, says data on laid-off Boar’s Head workers who have found employment won’t be available until around March. Taylor noted that within an hour of the company’s closure announcement, she began receiving calls from employers. Smithfield Foods, about 60 miles away from Jarratt in Isle of Wight County, told her they had more than 70 openings.
“There’s not a lack of work available,” says Taylor, though job seekers may need to commute farther for similar wages.
The region’s workforce was one factor in Carolina Structural Systems’ decision to expand to Greensville, says General Manager Dave Green, citing the county’s proximity to major interstates and Richmond. Slate says she’s standing by to help the company with hiring.
“We’ll be glad to do a mini job fair or offer our building for him to be able to interview folks,” she says.
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